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Barto
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Dr. Marcus McBroom was in the pantry behind Elizabeth Evans, one of the shooting victims. He exited the kitchen

through the double doors at the West end and noticed a brunette woman aged 20-26, medium build, "wearing a white

dress with silver dollar size polka dots, either black or dark blue in color." The report of his LAPD interview records

what drew McBroom’s attention to the girl:


This young lady showed no signs of shock or disbelief in comparison to other persons in the room and she

seemed intent only on one thing—to get out of the ballroom.


George Green was also in the pantry during the shooting, and reported seeing a girl in a polka dot dress (early 20s,

blond hair) and a young, thin, taller male with dark hair. He saw this couple earlier in the night and after the shooting.

Afterwards, Green stated, "They seemed to be the only ones who were trying to get out of the kitchen...Everyone else

was trying to get in."37


Ronald Johnson Panda told the LAPD that a good-looking girl, about 5’6", in a polka dot dress ran by him in the

Embassy room immediately after the shooting yelling "They shot him." He had seen her earlier that night carrying

some drinks.


Eve Hansen had talked to a girl in a "white dress with black or navy blue polka dots approximately the size of a

quarter" who had dark brown hair that hung just above the shoulders, who had a "turned-up nose." The girl gave

Hansen money for a drink and Hansen ordered the drink. When she brought it back to her, the girl made a toast "To

our next President" and shortly thereafter left the bar.


Earnest Ruiz reported something he thought was odd to the police. He had watched a man and a girl in a polka dot

dress run out of the hotel, but said the man later came back as Sirhan was being removed and was the first to yell, "Let’s kill the bastard."


Darnell Johnson, another pantry witness, told the police the following: While I was waiting [for Kennedy], I saw four guys and a girl about halfway between Kennedy and where I was standing. The girl had a white dress with black polka dots. During the time that a lady yelled, "Oh, my God," they walked out. All except the one...this is the guy they grabbed [Sirhan]. The others that walked out seemed unconcerned at the events which were taking place. Johnson also told the police that he had received threatening phone calls and that his car brakes had been tampered with, causing a near-accident.


Roy Mills also observed a group of five people, one of which was female, standing outside the Embassy Room as

Kennedy was speaking. He claimed that Sirhan was one of the four males in the group, remembering him distinctly for

his baggy pants. He thought one of the other men was a hotel employee. He couldn’t remember anything about the girl

except that she was wearing a press pass. Curiously, Conrad Seim—who, like Serrano, DiPierro and Hanson, had

noticed the girl’s "funny nose"—reported being asked by a girl in a white dress with black or navy polka dots for his

press pass. He refused her request, but she came back about 15 minutes later. "She was very persistent," he told the

police. He thought the girl’s nose might have been broken at one time, and described her as Caucasian but with an

olive complexion.


Bill White saw a female Latin and two male Latins near the door of the embassy room. Their dress looked out of

place. He also noticed a busboy wearing a white button-down jacket in the Anchor Desk area sweeping up cigarette

butts where there were no butts to be swept up. He wasn’t sure this was really a busboy.


Earnest Vallero was a job dispatcher for the Southern California Waiters Alliance. He reported that a man resembling

Sirhan appeared at the union office two or three weeks prior to the assassination and requested placement as a waiter at

the Ambassador Hotel. Vallero said the man got upset when he was refused, and flashed an Israeli passport.

A Hungarian refugee "with absolutely no credentials at all"38 named Gabor Kadar had been turned away from the

Embassy Room during the night, but found a waiter’s uniform, and donned it. Kadar later involved himself directly in the struggle to wrest the gun from Sirhan.


Booker Griffin, another pantry witness who had reported seeing a woman in a polka dot dress,39 asked Richard Aubry, a friend of his who was also in the pantry during the shooting, "Did they get the other two guys?"40 At about 9pm the night of the 4th, Irene Gizzi noticed a group of three people who "just didn’t seem to be dressed properly for the occasion." Her LAPD interview report summarizes the events as follows:

[Gizzi] saw a group of people talking who did not seem to fit with the exuberant crowd. Observed the female to be wearing a white dress with black polka dots; approximately the girl was standing with a male, possible Latin, dark sun bleached hair gold colored shirt, and possible light colored pants, possibly jeans. Possibly with suspect [Sirhan] as a third party...."


A friend of Gizzi’s who was also present, Katherine Keir, gave a very similar description of this group, describing a male in a "gold colored sport shirt" and blue jeans, another man of medium build with a T-shirt and jeans, both with dark brown hair, and a girl in a black and white polka dot dress. Keir was standing at a stairway when the polka dot dress girl ran down yelling, "We shot Kennedy." The police were able to persuade Keir to consider that she had heard the girl say instead, "Someone shot Kennedy."


Jeanette Prudhomme also saw two men, one of which looked like Sirhan and the other of which was wearing a gold shirt, in the company of a woman who appeared to be 28-30, with brown, shoulder length hair, wearing a white dress with black polka dots. A couple of people even recalled seeing this girl on the CBS broadcast. A Mr. Plumley, first name unrecorded, claimed he had seen a polka dot dress girl in the CBS broadcast the night of June 4th.


Duncan Grant, a Canadian citizen, wrote the LAPD when he heard they were canceling their search for the polka dot dress girl, stating that hehad seen her on the CBS broadcast. He wrote: We could hear two shots fired and then another burst of shots. At this moment someone shouted that the Senator had been shot. There was more confusion and at this moment a young lady burst in on the picture and she shouted We have shot Kennedy then shouted again We have shot Senator Kennedy. She was what I would call half-running and she crossed right in front of the camera from left to right and disappeared from view.


Sirhan himself remembered talking to a girl shortly before he blacked out that night. According to Kaiser, one of Sirhan’s last memories is of giving coffee to a girl of "Armenian" or "Spanish" descent in the pantry: "This girl kept talking about coffee. She wanted cream. Spanish, Mexican, dark-skinned. When people talked about the girl in the polka-dot dress," he figured, "maybe they were thinking of the girl I was having coffee with."41


Sirhan had been at the Ambassador the Sunday before election night. A girl matching the description of the polka dot dress girl was also seen there Sunday. Karen Ross described her to the LAPD as having a nose that had been "maybe fixed", a white dress with black polka dots, ? length sleeves, dark blond hair worn in a "puff" and with a round face. Sirhan and a girl were also recorded as behaving suspiciously at a previous Robert Kennedy appearance in Pomona on May 20th.

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March 3, 2016 at 3:44 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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From Mary Ferrell
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The entire interview is in the RFK Photo folder


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March 3, 2016 at 4:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

ashley wood
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Thanks for those Barto.

I joined the forum earlier today after long-time lurking. What with my avatar this looks like a good place to post first.

I'm more interested in the RFK assassination than JFK though I follow JFK research fairly closely (not a researcher myself).

I have long been fascinated by the Girl In The Polka Dot Dress Girl.

I believe Frederick Fauna has a book coming out in June. He did some work on this aspect of the case and my avatar is a sketch he had drawn by a police artist based on a couple of people's descriptions. I think I remember reading that Vincent di Pierro saw this sketch and said "that's her".

Lisa Pease has been working on an RFK book for ages and I wonder how far she has investigated this "girl's" identity.

I emailed Len Osanic to ask William Pepper about her on Black Op Radio and he mentioned a couple of years ago that he believed they (ie. Sirhan's defence team) knew who she was and that she was still alive.

However, in a private email, another researcher at AARC told me that the Manchurian Candidate angle was rubbish and that there were other reasons for her not being dragged in to the current situation. He also mentioned that she died a couple of years ago.

While I am reliant on books and accessible documents, I have long believed that she was real (rather than mis-identified or vividly imagined) and quite possibly the key to the mystery. I am not sure what Bill Pepper's long term strategy is but I'm kind of surprised that she hasn't been brought into more recent appeal scenarios if they are truly confident of her identity. Sirhan appears to have run out of legal options despite the evidence in his favour.

My main questions being - do Pepper and this other person have the same person in mind and if she is now dead, why not name her and provide additional proof as needed ? Also, how many people actually know who she is ? If those two I mentioned (and possiibly Sirhan) know then surely others must also know. If Pepper's right about her and she is still alive maybe a libel case would be the only way Sirhan could get another day in court but it's a risky gamble. I'm sure there are a few people trying to throw a spanner in the works for the Pepper/Dusek side and Pepper did have a big mis-fire in the MLK case at one point over a mis-identification.

Fortunately for you Barto, I am pretty sure we can rule her out of being Prayer Woman ! According to di Pierro it wasn't her buttons that were big.

March 3, 2016 at 5:22 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hi Ashley, welcome to ROKC.

I collected a lot of stuff almost three years ago and since Greg brought up the PDD Girl I thought I'd post a few things I encountered about this so far. The pix above are from Mary Ferrell btw.

In a couple of years I will do a presentation like PM on this case.For the 50th ;)

I have not spent a lot of time on this for two years only when it actually hits the news.

"Fortunately for you Barto, I am pretty sure we can rule her out of being Prayer Woman ! According to di Pierro it wasn't her buttons that were big."

:P

Even though that a lot of ebidence and documents has been destroyed there's still plenty to trawl through and to listen/watch to.

For those that do not know much about this case I suggest you watch the Second Gun documentary, bit dated but still highly valuable (has the same feel like TMWKK) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGG-XZK0SzM

and Who KIlled Bobby by Shane O'Sullivan.http://www.whokilledbobby.net/


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March 3, 2016 at 5:47 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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My thoughts, fwtw...

The sketch does not match all descriptions - hair variously described as dark, brunette, brown, blonde, dirty blonde. Some also describe her as having a round face.


Forget the Manchurian Candidate possibility? I don't think so. RFK was just a repeat of Jorge Gaitan 20 years earlier - IN EVERY SINGLE RESPECT with the following exceptions

 

  • It was outdoors
  • No male and female running off - justa  male
  • When this male urged the crowd to kill the patsy in the Gaitan case, they did. 

 

The last is a reference to:

Earnest Ruiz reported something he thought was odd to the police. He had watched a man and a girl in a polka dot dress run out of the hotel, but said the man later came back as Sirhan was being removed and was the first to yell, "Let’s kill the bastard."


Sirhan was not only studying and practicing "self-hypnisis" - he was also practicing Crowley's sex magik. Why? Because there was a particular female he desperately wanted. I can't find any 1968 photos of her, but these days, she looks like she has a turned up nose and a round face... just sayin'.

Karen Ross described her to the LAPD as having a nose that had been "maybe fixed", a white dress with black polka dots, ? length sleeves, dark blond hair worn in a "puff" and with a round face.

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A post from the old forum:

According to the Encyclopaedia of Occultism and Parapsychology, "the OTO was organized with 10 degrees of initiation by Dr Karl Kellner, an Austrian occultist in 1895. Its most precious secret was that of sex-magic, the techniques of utilizing the energies of sex for occult purposes."

 

During the 1930s, the first OTO lodge was established in the US by Wilfred Talbot Smith under instructions from Aleister Crowley. Known as Agape lodge No 2, it eventually moved from Hollywood to Pasadena where it was headed by John "Jack" Parsons, a chemical engineer and aerospace pioneer who was instrumental in the founding of both the California Institute of Technology's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and of Aerojet General.

 

In 1939, OTO recruiter in Germany, Carl Germer, was arrested by the Gestapo and held in a concentration camp, only to be released through the intervention of the US Consul and inevitably winding up in the US. There seems little reason for the US to come to the aid of Germer unless he had utility for counter-intelligence activities. Some believe he had in reality, been a German spy all along.

 

Many have identified the "most precious" secret of OTO as being the Star Sapphire - a sex magick ritual, It is represented by the two-triangle earth hexagram, and looks very much the same as a Star of David.

 

One page of Sirhan Sirhan's notebook, written during the early months of 1968, contains three stars and three triangles, with the first two triangles pointing down; the third pointing up.

 

Underneath the stars, we find the words, "triune" and "saffire". Here then, is the key - "saffire" being the phonetic spelling of "sapphire". What Sirhan had drawn were not Stars of David as a manifestation of his enmity to Israel. They were Star Sapphires. Not even the triangles were mere doodles, but contain various meanings within gnostic teaching depending on which way they point. "Triune" according to the same teachings is a description of man as being made of body, soul and spirit.

 

Sirhan's phonetic spelling of "sapphire" strongly suggests he was not teaching himself sex magick from a book - but rather that he was writing only that which he'd heard spoken. To put it another way, this is evidence of the "programming" of Sirhan - with sex being the carrot (so to speak).

 

To add weight to this theory, a few pages later, Sirhan has written

 

Black Magic Magic

 

Black Magic ?

 

44

 

44

 

I am [unreadeable]

 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

 

Crowley's Book of Lies describes the ritual of the Star Sapphire in Chapter 36. In Chapter 44 we find the Mass of the Phoenix - another sex magick ritual.

 

http://www.hermetic.com/osiris/analysismotp.htm

 

One of a number of various depictions of the Crowley's Star Sapphire

http://www.geocities.com/nu_isiscomm036.html



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March 3, 2016 at 7:21 PM Flag Quote & Reply

ashley wood
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Thanks Greg.

Any chance you can elaborate on " I can't find any 1968 photos of her, but these days, she looks like she has a turned up nose and a round face... just sayin'.".

March 3, 2016 at 7:37 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Wujiedduddien = https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/VII/VII_18.htm

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They put Johnny and Bobby in the ground 

Then the place was run by shucks and clowns

Motherfuckers are still thick on the ground 

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March 3, 2016 at 7:47 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Martin
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Jack Parsons (who founded the JPL and, by extension, NASA) lost his wife through the sex-magick ritual to his good "friend" L. Ron Hubbard, who then went on to found Scientology.


Weirder and weirder, huh?


Wondering: is there any connection between the OTO and the Oxnard caller?


March 3, 2016 at 7:54 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Greg
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ashley wood at March 3, 2016 at 7:37 PM

Thanks Greg.

Any chance you can elaborate on " I can't find any 1968 photos of her, but these days, she looks like she has a turned up nose and a round face... just sayin'.".

A bit wary about naming her on not much more than a hunch... but it's not hard to figure out - he had a huge crush on her.

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They put Johnny and Bobby in the ground 

Then the place was run by shucks and clowns

Motherfuckers are still thick on the ground 

Coz there’s a new God – There’s a new God in town.

Steve Schwartz & the Strap-Ons


March 3, 2016 at 7:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Greg
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Terry Martin at March 3, 2016 at 7:54 PM

Jack Parsons (who founded the JPL and, by extension, NASA) lost his wife through the sex-magick ritual to his good "friend" L. Ron Hubbard, who then went on to found Scientology.


Weirder and weirder, huh?


Wondering: is there any connection between the OTO and the Oxnard caller?


Don't know, Terry. It's possible she belonged to more than one group.


And yes, you're right about Scientology. Just to bring it full circle, The Process Curch of the Final Judgement was an offshoot of Scientology. Some believe this cult was involved in the RFK assassination and with Manson.


These subjects are worthy of more study, but some steer clear for fear of ridicule. The Fez for example has tried to use it against me - a sign of how bereft his arguments are. Studying something is not the same as believing in it - otherwise hundreds of people worldwide believe in change of government by bullet simply because they study assassinations.

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They put Johnny and Bobby in the ground 

Then the place was run by shucks and clowns

Motherfuckers are still thick on the ground 

Coz there’s a new God – There’s a new God in town.

Steve Schwartz & the Strap-Ons


March 3, 2016 at 8:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Greg
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Greg at March 3, 2016 at 7:47 PM

Wujiedduddien = https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/VII/VII_18.htm

From this link

Power can be attained artificially, by magic, or by the different laws of the power of sound, of words, or of concentration. Such power can make a person ill, can make a person run away from the country, can make two hearts separate; many wonders can be performed by the power of concentration.

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inhabited the suburbs of human contempt find that without changing their

address they eventually live in the metropolis. Quentin Crisp


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They put Johnny and Bobby in the ground 

Then the place was run by shucks and clowns

Motherfuckers are still thick on the ground 

Coz there’s a new God – There’s a new God in town.

Steve Schwartz & the Strap-Ons


March 3, 2016 at 8:22 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Greg
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Abdel we Wahab (another name from Sirhan's notebook) = Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Abd_al-Wahhab


Master Kuthumi = Koot Hoomi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koot_Hoomi

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inhabited the suburbs of human contempt find that without changing their

address they eventually live in the metropolis. Quentin Crisp


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They put Johnny and Bobby in the ground 

Then the place was run by shucks and clowns

Motherfuckers are still thick on the ground 

Coz there’s a new God – There’s a new God in town.

Steve Schwartz & the Strap-Ons


March 3, 2016 at 8:31 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Greg
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Sukroot and Al Hilal are place-names in India and Saudi Arabia respectively. Don't know their significance yet.

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inhabited the suburbs of human contempt find that without changing their

address they eventually live in the metropolis. Quentin Crisp


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They put Johnny and Bobby in the ground 

Then the place was run by shucks and clowns

Motherfuckers are still thick on the ground 

Coz there’s a new God – There’s a new God in town.

Steve Schwartz & the Strap-Ons


March 3, 2016 at 8:42 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Greg
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From the notebook: "Demonstrate methematics"

Mathematics is essential in the occult:
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19040621p01.html


According to the book, Marina and Lee (yes, I know...) Lee had an absolute fascination with number 3.


11.22. = 11+22 = 33

Trinity River... 3

THE SIX SACRED NUMBERS

 

1. Three (3) is the first sacred number, the first perfect number (Westcott, p. 41). Three represents the Pagan Trinity." (Westcott, p. 37). It is represented geo-metrically in the triangle, and spiritually as the Third Eye Of Hinduism. Occultists will multiply and add three to other sacred numbers to create new numbers. However, they also group threes in two's and threes, because they believe in the principle of "intensification", i.e., that greater power is achieved when a sacred number is grouped. In the case of three, greater intensification is achieved when it is shown as 33, or 333. 333 + 333 equals 666. Occultists have used 333 as the hidden symbol by which they present the more offensive number 666. When the details of an event are so arranged as to contain certain sacred occult numbers or numeric combinations, this is literally an occult signature on the event. Mathematically, 666 can be created when three pairs of threes are added. Thus, (3+3) + (3+3) + (3+3) = 666. Now, eliminate the parentheses and the plus sign, and you have 33 space, 33 space, 33, representing the number 666.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/pages/seminar2/NUMBERS.htm

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address they eventually live in the metropolis. Quentin Crisp


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They put Johnny and Bobby in the ground 

Then the place was run by shucks and clowns

Motherfuckers are still thick on the ground 

Coz there’s a new God – There’s a new God in town.

Steve Schwartz & the Strap-Ons


March 3, 2016 at 8:56 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Barto
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There is plenty to read at Mary Ferrell

https://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=polka%20dot%20dress&types=D&from=1


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Barto
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Like I said I have not been that deep involved but was there not talk of the PDD girl being part of the Rosicrucians?

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March 4, 2016 at 4:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

ashley wood
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Interesting that witnesses Plumley and Duncan Grant both recall seeing her on CBS News Coverage. Vanderbilt Archive that holds CBS News only seems to start at august 1968. I imagine that not all broadcasts were recorded at that time. My specialist research area is British pop on TV and Radio of the 50s and 60s and there's virtually nothing left from that era in official archives. I assume there have already been thorough searches for all that evenings tv coverage.

March 4, 2016 at 7:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Vinny
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Some researchers have suggested that Kathy Ainsworth was the Polka Dot Girl.But that seems doubtful.

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